and also the public has the chance every two years to express themselves in congressional elections. i supported five candidates that the nra went against this time and four of them won. and think through our mayors coalition against guns, i think what we can do is go to our cog and say, look this is what's happening and let me explain to you why and you can convince them. they're interested in doing a good job from america. if they hear from their constituents, i think they'll change. >> they put out a controversial ad. the nra president you heard him say this is not about them. this is about everybody else's kids who don't have the same elitist -- >> it's hart to understand the management of the nra, what they're thinking. number one, their members, every poll shoes they're in reasonable control. to do an ad to bring the president's kids in is just dumb p.r. you have to be stupid to do that. >> they're the latest hypocrite in that ad. >> i'm sure. two days and a month ago they said -- the nra said the worst thing here is these violent children's games and two days ago they come out